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antis who enjoy Problematic media that has the same content as other Problematic media that they harass other people for enjoying basically have a mindset of:
“i can view (x media) because i know that i’m intelligent and i have good morals and i posses all the emotional and thinking skills needed to realize that this fiction is not the same thing as reality and that i’m not harming anyone by enjoying it—but i don’t trust other people to view (y media) because i don’t trust that they’re intelligent, that they have good morals, or that they are able to tell the difference between fiction and reality, and they are harming me by liking something that i don’t and continuing to view it even after i told them not to”
it stems from a superiority complex (mainly focused in terms of morality), elitism (“my interests are the only valid interests”), control issues (“everyone should do what i say and think what i tell them to”), and hypocrisy (“do as i say, not as i do”) all mixed up in a bag of trash and left out to rot.
the reason that I love kylo ren is because he’s me if I were a guy in an alternate universe trying to be evil. meltdown after meltdown, falling in love, never getting enough sleep.
can we please bring back “in poor taste” as a concept
Because at some point it got folded in under “problematic,” and now every damn thing that has Unfortunate Implications or deals with sensitive topics indelicately enough to raise hackles or gores somebody’s sacred cow is treated as a grave injustice or a threat to society. Online activism culture has lost the vocabulary to express “this deals with touchy stuff in a way many people might find inappropriate, and you should probably avoid it if insensitivity on this subject gets you angry/upset, but it’s not promoting hateful ideas or demeaning people or affecting anything but my opinion of the creator’s sense of tact.”
I think this really an important post.
We’ve fallen into such a rut of “everything is right or wrong, no inbetween” that stuff that’s merely in poor taste is conflated with things that are actually offensively malicious.
this is so well worded like i been trying to say this for awhile thank you
Damn. This is the thing.
I also kinda dislike that people started saying ‘problematic’ when they could be specific about what someone did wrong. It becomes this vague scary thing that someone ‘said something problematic’ and you don’t know whether they passionately defended nazis or made a clumsy joke about retail workers. And because we don’t know what someone means but we do want to be safe a lot of us just assume to worst and avoid people labelled ‘problematic’. This makes is a very effective tool to bully out people for minor flaws and to reinforce purity culture and disposability culture.
“Good girls falling for roguish guys? Yeah, that’s a well tread trope, not necessarily in Hollywood blockbusters, but in general, yeah. But we’re talking about the main hero and the main villain with this one, which as far as I know has never been done before in a major Hollywood movie. Am I some sadist for wanting to see that? Maybe. Mostly I just want something different. The idea of Rey and Kylo Ren ending up together romantically is exciting to me because it would be the most unique path they could take with those characters. Pairing Rey off with Finn or Poe would be safer, killing Kylo Ren and making him pay like all the other movie bad guys would be safer. Not only saving the main villain, but redeeming him, and having him end up with the main character? That would be dangerous, and new as far as blockbusters go. Which to me is much more interesting than another good guy kills bad guy and gets together with the other good guy type story. I’ve noticed that the people who argue against the Ben-Rey pairing do so by oversimplify Kylo Ren’s character. While Kylo Ren is certainly unstable and murderous, he’s also shown to have great difficulty committing his acts of villainy, and an even harder time dealing with having committed them. He kills Han Solo, and is stated to have split himself to the core by doing so. He tries to kill his mother but is unable to. Even Luke’s parting warning would be that he would haunt Kylo Ren ‘like your father’. When he captures Poe Dameron, Kylo Ren immediately tortures him for information, when he capture’s Rey, he tries to negotiate with her. He endures torment and humiliation from his master, but turns on him after watching him torture Rey. In fact, the moment he makes the decision to save Rey rather than murder her is the one time in the series that Snoke says he isn’t conflicted. He says he will destroy Rey to Luke, but then the next time he actually sees her, he looks at her not with anger, but sadness and loneliness on his face. What ‘Reylos’ like is not the idea of Rey falling in love with the villain, Kylo Ren, but with the man Ben Solo that lives within him. Indeed, the moments that have the most romantic tension all involve Rey calling him Ben. To say, “No, he’s a mass murdering psycho” and end your argument at that is just not effective because it requires that both sides ignore an enormous amount of Kylo/Ben’s character arc, and the fact it’s not a binary “bad guy is bad” story. That to me is interesting, much more so than a typical “I’m good, you’re bad, let’s fight” story that I’ve seen in every other big budget Hollywood movie. Or a “I’m good, your good, lets kiss” romance that I’ve seen in every other big budget movie. The only thing I’ve never seen from Hollywood is a story wherein the Villain and the Hero fall in love, and with these new movies, they at the very least have the pieces necessary to pull it off. It would be a shame if they went with a safer, more traditional route.”
That’s the whole point! That’s what got me excited about this couple in the first place. As a concept it was perfect. And brilliantly executed because they chose actors with great chemistry. It could have fallen flat… but no. We do have sexual tension. Charisma. Chemistry. And beautifully expressive faces. The whole package.
What I think people fail to see is that good girl being attracted to the bad boy isn’t necessarily an internalization of male fantasies only more often than not a female version of rescue the princess (from herself) story
Like, really. It’s not about a girl naively letting herself be burned by dragon fires only about her ending up with a dragon’s head on her lap. How is having a dragon run behind you with porg eyes not empowering?
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